You can get K2 from a supplement. http://www.veganstore.com/now-vitamin-k2/Page_1/939k.html
Read the next post by a vegan who follows Weston A. Price the person and lists out a nice breakdown of his protocol. I didn't have the information on K2 on this page here, so I'm pasting some of the next page, read all of these pages:
For normal mineralization to occur many things have to fall into proper order. Mineral intake has to be adequate and in the proper ratios. Calcium/phosphorous/magnesium/zinc ratios are important as is total quantity. Fat-soluble vitamins are responsible for mineral transport and delivery so intake of vitamin A, D and K as well as saturated fat are necessary. You see you can eat all the calcium you want and it will never get into your blood without A and D. And it will never get out of your blood and into your bones and teeth without vitamin K2. (Activator X turns out to be K2)
Vitamin K2 in particular can significantly lower bacterial count in your mouth, but it can also change your saliva from phosphorous taking to phosphorous bearing.
There is an alarming rate of tooth decay on the vegan diet, particularly the low fat and raw diets. And gray or grey teeth on the vegan diet. (I'm using search terms so that vegans will find this page.) The junk food omni diet is crappy for teeth too, but that's besides the point. That omni crappy diet hasn't been touted as the best diet in the world, but the vegan diet has. And it is not for some people.
Now the tooth decay stuff is not some Weston A. Price propaganda, it's a fact. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care.
If you are vegan and suffering from tooth decay, you most likely do not have to start eating flesh to combat that, you might have to start eating eggs and dairy (specifically ghee). However, I think that you have a really good chance of reversing it and keeping your teeth nice and healthy by using olive oil and saturated fat -- yes -- as in coconut oil -- and good sources of dietary vitamin D (from mushrooms and the sun) and calcium (from kale) and other vitamins and minerals, as well as by removing drying ingredients in your teeth cleaning regimen so that your saliva can start healing your teeth, and by using the vegan portions of the WAPF protocol. The link is below. But don't jump the gun, read this entire page and learn and think.
Many VeganGuru MDs will tell you that fat is BAD, BAD, BAD and they are simply WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Seven healthy men and women ate salads of spinach, romaine lettuce, cherry tomatoes, and carrots topped with Italian dressings containing 0, 6 (0.2 ounces), or 28 grams (almost 1 ounce) of canola oil on different occasions during a 12-week period. Hourly blood samples were taken for 11 hours after the meal and tested for nutrient absorption.
The study found that only negligible amounts of alpha- and beta-carotene and lycopene were detected in the blood after eating a salad with fat-free dressing. Significantly more of these substances, known as carotenoids, were detected in the blood after eating salads with reduced-fat dressing or full-fat dressings.
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20040727/fat-helps-vegetables-go-down
The best fats to eat WITH your veggies (specifically kale), from what I have gathered so far, is olive oil, which contains K and E, avocado and Omega 3 DHA from algae. Make a dressing, use stevia as the sweetener (no other kind of sweetening agent should be used, including fruit).
Avocados provide nearly 20 essential nutrients, including fiber, potassium, Vitamin E, B-vitamins and folic acid. They also act as a "nutrient booster" by enabling the body to absorb more fat-soluble nutrients, such as alpha and beta-carotene and lutein, in foods that are eaten with the fruit. http://www.avocado.org/nutrition/
But olive oil, avocado, and coconut oil, and Omega 3 DHA doesn't contain Vitamin D. Except for fortified food, much of which are grains or juices which not good for your teeth (according to the WAPF protocol and sugar in any form (even fruit), is not good for your teeth) there are very few sources of dietary Vitamin D and none are vegan: oily fish, eggs, cod liver oil. But wait, check this out:
http://mushroominfo.com/wp-content/uploads/Vitamin_D_Fact_Sheet.pdf
The USDA National Nutrient Database was recently updated to incorporate the vitamin D content of nearly 3,000 food entries, including mushrooms. The top three selling mushroom varieties (white button, crimini and portabella) have vitamin D ranging from 1 to 97 percent of the Daily Value (400 IU) per raw 84 gram serving.That's pretty bad ass!
How do they do it? Similar to the way that humans absorb sunlight and convert it to vitamin D, mushrooms contain a plant sterol–ergosterol–that converts to vitamin D when exposed to real or simulated sunlight.
Depending on your locale, you could make your own D but you need the fat to raise your good cholesterol levels in your diet to have it work in the first place. This is what I have gathered so far about making your own vitamin D, it really depends on your locale and how much melanin is in your skin and your diet:
Duration of Vitamin D Synthesis in Human Skin
Type in your latitude and longitude and other variables to determine how much time. And also take into consideration that the darker your skin, the longer you have to say out WITHOUT sunscreen. You also can't burn yourself. Plus, you are not supposed to wash your body right after, let the D soak in.
Since I moved North of San Francisco, from FL, I'm in bad shape lately. I take 4,000 to 6,000 IU to feel okay, just okay. Since that is way, way, way more than the RDA or safe levels, you have to make your own decisions. We are making a move to FL in a few months since I am truly miserable here. It's slightly better with a light box, but the headache sucks. I have also reintroduced eggs 2-3 x a week because seriously, it is bad! However, with the use of the D3 from the mushrooms, once this dozen (of eggs) is gone, I'm going to stop eating them and start eating more mushrooms in olive oil!
Vitamin D Deficiency: A Global ConcernCholestrol is not all bad. Please learn more about it at Harvard Nutrition Science's site:
If you live north of the line connecting San Francisco to Philadelphia and Athens to Beijing, odds are that you don't get enough vitamin D. The same holds true if you don't get outside for at least a 15-minute daily walk in the sun. African-Americans and others with dark skin, as well as older individuals, tend to have much lower levels of vitamin D, as do people who are overweight or obese. Harvard Nutrition Science
From Food to the Bloodstream
Almost all foods contain some fat. Even quintessential fat-free foods like carrots and lettuce contain small amounts of this nutrient. That's a testament to how important fats are for life. Fat provides a terrific source of energy as well as a great depot for storing it. It is an important part of cell membranes, helping govern what gets into cells and what comes out. The body uses cholesterol as the starting point to make estrogen, testosterone, vitamin D, and other vital compounds. Fats are also biologically active molecules that can influence how muscles respond to insulin's "open up for sugar" signal; different types of fats can also fire up or cool down inflammation. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html
This link tells you how to remineralize teeth using animal flesh and products, and this one gives tips too. I am just conjecturing that by using some of these techniques and by adding olive oil to your diet, and other vegan sources of fat soluble vitamins such as avocado, natto (Japanese fermented soy beans), and coconut oil, and omega 3 DHA from algae you might very well reverse your tooth decay. But before you click on over, please read further.
First there's getting D in your diet by eating the mushrooms and maybe taking a D3 supplement. There is a vegan source of D3 now, called "Source Of Life Garden Vitamin D3 - 60 - Veg/Cap". I don't know how much you should take, so further research is required here, and then you have to get calcium in your diet and I don't recommend supplements. The WAPF protocol, from what I gather, recommends raw milk with full fat, I recommend kale, but you need the olive oil, so you can absorb the nutrients and make cholesterol in your own body. If you've been reading this blog, you might have discovered that D, calcium, and cholesterol work together, so you need to make cholesterol and that requires fat. Can you see why a zero cholesterol low fat vegan diet is freaking nuts? Crazy freaking nuts! It is not good for teeth and you can't absorbe the nutrients in the veggies as well. And if you listen to a certain Vegan Guru MD in Santa Rosa, CA who doesn't even recommend much, if any D supplementation, you've got a recipe for tooth decay galore and that PISSES ME OFF!
Why kale?
Unlike spinach or chard, kale doesn't contain oxalic acidoxalic acid, which prevents the body from absorbing calcium. Kale is the richest of the greens in the phytochemical lutein. Known mostly for its prevention of eye diseaseeye disease, lutein is now thought to be more protective against cancer than beta-carotein. Kale is also one of the highest sources of antioxidant flavonoids which help ward off heart disease and regulate blood pressure.You might also need to include a good source of probiotics in your diet. I just take the freeze dried stuff and I take a lot of it (4 x as much). This has helped me not get bloated or get gassy from lots of greens and my favorite faux meat: seitan (which is a no no on the WAPF protocol). (I recently discovered that probiotics helps people with celiac, I have a gut feeling (no pun intended) that it may help prevent it too, but I don't know for sure.) Also, I take plant enzymes (not the kind that you hear about in raw food). I take plant enzyme supplements which eases digestion and alleviates gas. My favorite is "Say Yes to Beans". I went from 4 million farts (that's an exaggeration, but it's close) to one or two farts. Pretty good. I grew up on lots of animals flesh, man, so by adding these enzymes and probiotics I'm making my guts adept at taking in the plants and hey, I'm growing a rumen (just kidding!).
Children grow and develop at a rapid rate. Proper nutrition is vital. Kale is extremely rich in vitamin A—essential for visual and immune functions. One cup of kale has as much vitamin C as an orange. It provides as much calcium as the equivalent amounts of cowcow's milk making it an excellent food for vegans.
http://www.vegfamily.com/whole-family/kale.htm
Read what that link has to say, but, I don't recommend using peroxide in your mouth or any drying agent. Your saliva has healing properties provided you are 1. absorbing the nutrients in your diet and 2. you are not drying out your mouth and 3. you are not listening to nutty Vegan MDs (low fat, phlease!). The protocol on that link (which is nearly identical to the WAPF protocol) recommends removing fluoride. I also don't use it. Some people do. Use at your discretion here. I use only three oils and that is it (I use nothing else): peppermint oil, spearmint oil, and almond oil. I use drops 3/2/1 respectively. With that I took a 6 mm pocket (quoted at 2500.00 for surgery + 900.00 for the bone graft) from an almond or popcorn husk to a 2 mm healthy pocket, and not a zipper pocket (those who know about teeth will know what I mean). I learned about it on OraMD.com and then I just went across the street to the health food store and purchased the oils separately. My hygienist has recommended it to her patients and it's freaking amazing.
So let's combine our brains and let me know what you have found with regards to healthy teeth on the vegan diet. Who do you know who is vegan who has little if any tooth decay and what do they eat. Please share. Let's work together to make a plant based diet the best it can be for everyone.
Disclaimer: Use this information at your own risk. Research for yourself and see what you learn and share it with me.
Hi Christina, i would like to exchange with you on the vegan diet and teeth health. So i see vegan Athletes with wonderful teeth. So i thought it might be the anmalistic spirit which truely heals teeth. if you not having the animal in yourself you have to eat animals.
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Vegan athletes are not the typical vegan or typical person. Most people are not athletes. I have never met a vegan athlete with health issues from the diet. They eat plenty of protein, they're keen on nutrition, and usually go outside a lot. Exercise helps endorphins which is key to a strong immune system and when you have a strong immune system, your entire body benefits, obviously.
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DeleteMy husband has been a vegan now for over two years and a strict one at that! Drives me crazy but, I have adopted a lot of his ways and have seen the research backing up almost no disease in vegans! He just went to the dentist and what's up...NO cavities which prior to about a year and a half ago, he had cavities every time he went! He takes a whole food vitamin and other than that eats tons of veggies. I don't believe that he is getting all the nutrients he needs from what we are eating and that vitamin must be doing good bc, his blood work is "beautiful" as well as his dental check up. There is so much info out there it is over whelming!! Prior to this check up and his last two before that at the dentist, he always had cavities...I know it makes no sense!! I on the other hand who eat a lot of processed foods and quit taking my vitamins, have two! I am looking to correct them naturally, by a total change in diet but, I am not feeling the cooked animal organs and raw milk etc...guess, it's a choice Ill soon have to make though! He also, found that some type of molasses has tons of calcium in just two table spoons. Who knows...
ReplyDeleteYour husband has found a diet that suits him well. He's eating and ABSORBING the nutrients from the vegetables and so he's converting the K1 to K2, he get's plenty of D (does he go outside) and he's eating the right amount of fat and beneficial gut microbes, and his pancreatic enzymes are a plenty. He probably also handles stress well. He is not the default human. There is no such person. Many people, not just vegans, have issues with absorption and it's especially bad if you decide to limit fat (which a lot of vegans wrongly do) moderation is the key. Fat helps absorption of the nutrients in vegetables.
DeleteYour husband has found a diet that suits him well. He's eating and ABSORBING the nutrients from the vegetables and so he's converting the K1 to K2, he get's plenty of D (does he go outside) and he's eating the right amount of fat and beneficial gut microbes, and his pancreatic enzymes are a plenty. He probably also handles stress well. He is not the default human. There is no such person. Many people, not just vegans, have issues with absorption and it's especially bad if you decide to limit fat (which a lot of vegans wrongly do) moderation is the key. Fat helps absorption of the nutrients in vegetables.
ReplyDeleteI woke up at 5am this morning dreaming of a cavity. I have a few but have only been vegan for 4 months now. I used to follow Weston Price though clearly not all the time but I remember the principles of taking fat with your veg. It's good to read a focused piece on the vegan diet and tooth decay. It's interesting to find out mushrooms have vitamin D. Good to hear. The blood type diet has also been useful when considering which foods suit my body chemistry best. I must get back on the coconut oil, I was taking two tablespoons a day and felt great. It's also good for killing off candida yeast.
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ReplyDeleteIm been following a flexible vegetarian diet for a while now, but my teeth are messed up from childhood. I 've got fillings in all my molars, and so many cavities.. god. Right now I have a hole in two molars, brown and white spots in others (begginings of cavities), and cavities UNDER old fillings. Visits to the dentist are so painful, I cry in panic every time I see the dentist, they always give me magnesium water to calm down, and treat me nicely, but theres no avoiding whats coming, THAT horrible drill. Im amazed at the inefficiency of the anesthesia in numbing the actual thooth. Instead, it mostly numbs the area around the tooth, and the gum, the tooth somewhat too, but not enough. I eat a lot of fruit, and I never feel good when I do. I tend to faint and feel nauseous. I think I will stop buying bananas, and stick to berries and very fibrous fruit instead. I will start eating olive oil with my salads, and more nuts, and avoid super sugary fruit in large amounts. Its just doesnt make me feel good, in spite of what some vegan doctors say. I started drinking Vit d3,k2,c, and decided to at least eat salmon/anchovies/tuna/eggs twice a month. Wich I think its low enough to avoid the maladies of high protein diets, I hope at least. I will see how I feel. I will have a chat with my dentist, see if he can leave some superficial cavities alone, to test of a diet change over a couple of months can help reverse it, or arrest it. :)
ReplyDeleteFor your tooth issues check out the "Get the Lead Out" Facebook group - there are alternatives to "THAT horrible drill" :)
DeleteVegetables are good for our teeth. This is because vegetables are loaded with vitamins and minerals that help maintain and improve oral health.
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Haven't had a cavity since I was 12 ( and I suspect that was not a cavity... and I am now 40). However, since being totally clean gluten-free, very low fat vegan for the past 18 months, just had my dental check up and had SIX cavities!!!!!!!!!! What the heck?!!!!!!! I find this all very interesting. I guess I need to add olive oil back? What about oil pulling?
ReplyDeleteIf you want to stop the tooth decay, seriously take K2 and D3 (d3 is not vegan usually). These will improve your teeth significantly along with saturated fat which I would take at the same time. DEFINITELY eat saturated fat in the form of coconut fat. 1 tablespoon I day I what I aim for.
DeleteAlso increasing phosphorous while you do the above.
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/high-phosphorus-foods.php
Teeth are not as strong as bones, imagine what a low fat vegan diet does to bones! I eat a vegan diet with saturated fat, no sugar. Brush with baking soda. Make sure you don't drink just fruit juice, you eat the actual fruit with the fiber.
http://www.vitacost.com/natures-plus-source-of-life-garden-vitamin-k2-60-vegetarian-capsules-4
Actually 2 tbs might be good. Start with 1 tbs of coconut oil, but you need to add d3 and k2.
DeleteHigh fat way to end decay
DeleteAug 21 2003
For years we've been told fat is bad for us, but now scientists say it could save you a trip to the dentist by helping fight tooth decay.
http://forum.lowcarber.org/archive/index.php/t-132050.html
THANK YOU!!!!! No experience with coconut oil (or phosphorus) ... suggestions? Capsules for phosphorus and cooking/smoothies for coconut oil? (Rarely eat fruit these days... too concerned about teeth)
ReplyDeleteI should also mention that my hair has thinned noticeably. (Not happy) :(
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DeleteRe: hair loss. I would suggest increasing your protein and make sure you get a complete protein (rice and beans, hummus and pita, protein smoothies made with good levels of all the amino acids). Lysine is important for hair. Also dietary zinc can affect hair.
Make sure you use iodized salt. If you eat a lot of foods that are iodine antagonists (that is they diminish levels of iodine) such as:
(excerpt from Jack's blog): Iodine Antagonists
...soy, flax seeds, and raw cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, and cabbage) that counteract iodine. These components, called goitrogens, cause an enlarged thyroid gland, also called a goiter. Thus, large amounts of soy combined with inadequate iodine intake can exacerbate iodine deficiency.
... and significantly impact your hair.
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/hairloss
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/iodine
Get more lysine in a food. If you are gluten free and a vegan, this can be a challenge, seitan has good amounts of lysine.
http://jacknorrisrd.com/pumpkin-seeds-good-source-of-lysine/
http://jacknorrisrd.com/protein-lysine-muscle-mass-in-vegans/
What was your diet before when you didn't have tooth decay and hair loss?
Re: coconut oil. You can mix it in your oats or hot quinoa or take a tablespoon plain. It hardens when cool and is liquid when warm. I use it on bread, eat it plain, mix it in oatmeal (hot), and rub it on my skin. What I do is steam veggies then I sprinkle my green beans or kale with iodized salt, garlic, nutritional yeast, and drizzle coconut oil on them, it's better than french fries (to me).
I wouldn't be happy either. Low fat diets are not good for you. Fat significantly improves digestion and the extraction of MORE vitamins from food, so when you add fat you are getting more of the goodness of veggies.
DeleteRead this:
http://letthemeatmeat.com/post/20896431565/quasivegans-christina-arasmo-beymer-discusses-her
Phosphorus containing foods were in one of the links I pasted.
DeleteI was gluten-free vegan... but cheated very frequently with dairy. (And I mean... nearly daily)
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DeleteCoconut milk has piddly amounts of protein if any, so make a smoothie with it with some plant fusion protein powder (soy and gluten free). It's got good levels of the amino acids.
DeleteFixed for some errors:
DeleteAnd dairy is a complete protein and its got fat and its got D and various other nutrients. Seriously, you obviously needed it so it aint cheating. Gandhi ate dairy.
Try some alternatives such as coconut milk (fat) and it's fortified too (check label). Hemp milk too, but I don't know if they add D or folate to it. So check the label. You need fortified food. Coconut milk would be my first go to replacement for the nutrition.
And if I were having tooth decay and hair loss in the interim, I'd do what i used to do and eat some rennetless cheese.
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ReplyDeleteI was raw vegan for 1.5 years and ate way too much fruit - now I have cavities and am trying to reverse them! I'm struggling to find out recommended daily doses of the fat soluble vitamins - any help on this would be much appreciated please!
Many thanks!
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ReplyDeleteI've been vegan most of my 42 years and I can say that the state of my teeth is horrible! I would shun any saturated fats and eat lots of fruits and my fav. snack is dried fruit! I also ate way too much sugar and had frequent low blood sugar episodes! I have now started to reluctantly add eggs and dairy to my diet in the hopes of preventing another cavity leading to a root canal or implant. I have 2 root canals and 3 implants along with loads of cavities, many of them deep! Eating eggs for breakfast helps keep me from getting too hungry so quickly. I am thinking of supplementing with coconut or cod liver oil...Vitamin D3 and K. You can brush till you're blue in the face and eat lots of veggies, fermented or otherwise, but in the end, your teeth are going to suffer if you're vegan and have blood sugar fluctuations.
ReplyDeleteI've been vegan most of my 42 years and I can say that the state of my teeth is horrible! I would shun any saturated fats and eat lots of fruits and my fav. snack is dried fruit! I also ate way too much sugar and had frequent low blood sugar episodes! I have now started to reluctantly add eggs and dairy to my diet in the hopes of preventing another cavity leading to a root canal or implant. I have 2 root canals and 3 implants along with loads of cavities, many of them deep! Eating eggs for breakfast helps keep me from getting too hungry so quickly. I am thinking of supplementing with coconut or cod liver oil...Vitamin D3 and K. You can brush till you're blue in the face and eat lots of veggies, fermented or otherwise, but in the end, your teeth are going to suffer if you're vegan and have blood sugar fluctuations.
ReplyDeleteMore veg protein, coconut oil, and D3 and K is what I would do. I don't dig fruit and prefer piles of green food, I think that is why I don't have issues. Also, I never bothered with low fat and eat coconut oil on many things frequently. It saves me from brain fog. I highly doubt that low fat is healthy considering that when you add fat to vegetables, you get more nutrients from the vegetables.
DeleteThe only thing that is wrong is this statement: "African-Americans and others with dark skin.....tend to have much lower levels of vitamin D....."
ReplyDeleteWhat the statement should have added is this only applies to African Americans and other dark skinned people that do not get enough sun because they live in the north, or typically ones that are in office settings all day, that do see the sun but for 5 or 10 minutes a day. They are fully clothed when they do come outside. This is why dark skinned people in sun rich environments that are outdoors more never get osteoporosis, and a some of the diseases that are mentioned above. Also, this is part of the reason why black people in the south are more prone to kidney stones. It is from buying vitamin D and calcium fortified food products. Calcium builds up in the kidneys and liver, causing hard deposits or stones. I am not blaming you, however, this was a poorly made statement on the part of Harvard.
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